Theres lots of good lines in those movies to chant. SPOILER Questions about ending of Betrayal Legacy (spoiler alert!) Join Thomas Koch, James Aaron Oh, Ezra Denney, Sai, Grant Corvin as they playthrough the Actual Play GamePlay of Betrayal Legacy.-Support The Channel- Join our Patreon https://www.patreon.com/questsandchaos Watch live at https://www.twitch.tv/questsandchaos Join our discord: https://discord.gg/7gJKxnv T-shirts, mugs, coasters and more available at: https://questsandchaos.com/merch Get Betrayal Legacy: https://amzn.to/2LPpBgB#HowToPlay #BoardGames #PlaythroughEzra Denney | https://www.twitter.com/EzraWontTweet Grant Corvin | https://twitter.com/JackRhienSaiJames Aaron Oh | https://www.twitter.com/JamesAaronOhThomas Koch | https://twitter.com/ThomasAKochQuests and Chaos features tabletop content including Dungeons Dragons, Call of Cthulhu, Board Games, and gaming industry interviews. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. Meanwhile, we also knew the house and thus were aware of things like there was an Omen space in the Outside and that the last Ground Floor tile was going to reveal a secret door. But we didint feel like the Legacy added much to the original game, and if anything, it really underplayed and underused its Legacyelements. Nonetheless, this article uses the word traitor because thats what Betrayal does. It's not a surprise that it's in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know it's in the bottom of the box. Tabletop and card game design. Efficient. And Betrayal Legacywas just more of the same. We do. This is great since new people playing your copy wont have anything major from the story spoiled for them if they decide to get the game later. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. * Betrayal at House on the Hill (2004) and its derivatives uses the word traitor for their evil players, but its not a traitor as we define it in Meeples Together. There is still some strategic play, with several players running around and smashing so that a final player can INVOKE to close the portal, but its still a big step down from Chapters Two and Three, which had multi-stage strategic cooperation that we thought would be the new normal for the game, but which has largely disappeared in the games since. We even tried to figure out where to get more modern figures to replace them. Come discuss games like Codenames, Wingspan, Terra Mystica, and all your other favorite games! The traitor wins again. Co-op:The co-op rules have also been getting more complex, and this time we non-traitors have a three-part process: (step i) find and memorize runes; (step ii) make a crib for an evil baby; and (step iii) kill the evil baby. I didnt talk about the inhabitants, the little girl, the Doctor, or so many other things. Right away, Betrayal Legacy shows how it stands apart from the original Betrayal at House on the Hill. Several of the weapons had a condition, when you kill someone with this weapon check a box. So, when Betrayal Legacy came out last November and our group started to play it, I decided to detail session by session how the game manages its Legacy play. Not only does the plot of Chapter One paint all of the other families as remembering the massacre of the Prologue, but we also roleplayed it, while the owner of the home, 30 years older, proclaimed her innocence. A look at one of my favorite Legacy Games and the story moments that stood out. We werent certain how it would go, but we knew wed end up checking that last box eventually. Took almost 20 hours to print at 0.08 layer height and 5% infill, but any less would be an affront to the Helm. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. That said, once you complete the campaign, your copy of Betrayal Legacy can be played infinitely in "Free Play" mode. This should easily print with no supports and minimal infill, outside of how large it is, this is a . Its not a surprise that its in the game, a flap for the package overlaps a section of the insert letting you know its in the bottom of the box. An Item can only be an Heirloom for one player. Skip Navigation Accessibility Feedback Toggle Sidebar Show Menu. The arrival of the Helm. Figure 6-2: Our last rules addition, the Otherworlds, were disappointing (and frustrating). I did it with this one. You could have one person say baby shark and then everyone else could answer with do do doodoo all in monotone like you did before. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The number was actually a 6 and her other two numbers were low! The core gameplay features are all the same, and while some changes to rules do iron out issues found in Betrayal, each game is largely a similar experience. As you play through the game youll never find a way to trigger Haunt 0. and our There are many new mechanics and twists I would love to talk about, but doing so would dampen the excitement for players who haven't discovered them yet. Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on LinkedIn (Opens in new window), Click to share on Reddit (Opens in new window), Click to share on Tumblr (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pinterest (Opens in new window), Click to share on Pocket (Opens in new window), Click to share on Telegram (Opens in new window), Click to share on WhatsApp (Opens in new window), Click to share on Skype (Opens in new window). Though the distribution of ghosts probably affected our play, it wasnt very overt. Another starts with certain tiles of the board already discovered. The more mechanical Legacy elements didnt impact our play much. However, what gets really fun is when it shows up at the end of game 3 and you read the rules. Rules additions are a major element of Legacy games, and they can add a lot so well see what the next game brings. Ending: Entries 203-205 are all obviously the different endings to the campaign. Legacy:On our third outing, were just not feeling the Legacy. Alternatively I think something along the lines of having a couple people chanting I am the key master while others chant I am the gatekeeper. Youre in the house from the original game. Once you finish the campaign and have fully realized your house there was a warm feeling of finality to the experience. but we can't find what? I enjoyed the game, but havent gotten to a place where Im ready to buy a second copy and go back into that house. If youve never tried a Betrayal game then I suggest seeking out and giving the original a chance with the knowledge that some of the things that dont work there have been tweaked for the Legacy game. So, the Otherworlds could have been the best of the best. It really was that much fun. All Boardgames Categories Artists Publishers Honors Gone Cardboard Recent Additions Previews . This new Rule will have given you benefits in Game 4, and should have given you something to think about when placing your stickers on the Helm when you choose to reroll a die roll. Drop a comment below and Ill compile a commenters list at some point in the future. Its probably not giving too much away to say that generic man/woman icons are used for a reason, as there will be new NPCs throughout the campaign. ButBetrayal Legacydidnt. The #1 Reddit source for news, information, and discussion about modern board games and board game culture. Figure 2-1: The rooms are familiar, but the layout is never quite the same; maybe were just confusing by the winding corridors? My final rating on the game was a 9.8 and I stand behind that. Betrayal Legacy is a cooperative, exploration game for 3-5 players which plays in about 90-120 minutes and is best with 4-5 players. InBetrayal Legacy it felt like this slow ramp-up negatively affected two crucial system: the Legacy elements and the cooperative play. (Mind you, Im not convinced that the particular cards added were that evocative of what happened, but wed see better use of this element a few Chapters down the road. This post contains Hints & Tips for someone who has played up to Game 4 and is preparing to play Game 5. They not only name them, but also put stickers on them that will provide special benefits in future games but only if they actually draw the items, or are given them. This time around theres some bloody doll thats trying to do some blood ritual to become all powerful, or something like that. We never managed to get the third check on any of the other weapons. I still dont know what happened to any of them. Ive dug out all of the stuff in every Legacy game Ive bought; I make a point of it when sorting the bits. The first two are thematic characters, whos powers make sense. I could have gone on. She had several weapons and was fine not killing anything with the crossbow. ), Figure 1-2: Our main legacy elements to date: named cards, specifically introduced cards, and the deed. Co-op:This third game introduces a new mechanic: non-player personas who show up in the house at specific rooms. Also that they let the first person to die know that there wasnt a witch just in case people were confused was so nice. My friend John had the Crossbow as a family heirloom. Were terrified of the traitor, so we immediately move on to stepii, where we engage in tactical cooperation (like we theoretically could have in Chapter One if wed been better equipped) to kill her. Back to the house. We do have a bit of fun, talking about how theres always a secret passage off to the left of the front door, and sure enough. So what do you think? So I removed some of the edges (and in the process made it round instead of hexagonal). Betrayal Legacy Ending Questions (Spoilers included) One more warning, this post will contain massive spoilers for anyone who hasn't completed the campaign. It had become the trophy that we all fought for and it was suddenly gone. The insanely climactic finale wouldn't be believable had it been scripted. The first mission does a perfect job of setting the tone for the rest of Betrayal Legacy, and serves as a good reminder to keep yourselves guessing about what's to come. Join half a million readers enjoying Newsweek's free newsletters, Betrayal Legacy is the best board gaming experience I've had, Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion, 'Shadows in the Forest' Board Game Review. Of course, if you didn't find Betrayal at House on the Hill to be fun, you might not love Betrayal Legacy. but Pelase, can someone tell us where we should have started seeing gates. This ensures players will have the tiles needed to finish each mission, and helps tell each mission's story and add to the worldbuilding. Or could I make someone else reroll their dice? By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. I know we're being dumb. The example is playable. Second, players got to mark ghosts on tiles where they died. This shows us that a branch of many colours is a way of sharing the benefits at these times. The other worlds open. . Playing the same board game with the same group of players over a dozen times doesn't sound like the best way to spend multiple nights, but the way Betrayal Legacy shifts and changes after each playthrough made every game feel fresh and unique. We want to push on and play chapter 13 but will it not work for some reason because of elements we would have destroyed or something? When we realized that this was now the house from the original game it was stunning. Not all Items can be made into Heirlooms. My niece would still like to play through it and Im considering it still. This is one in a series of posts regarding the board game Betrayal Legacy. The ghosts increasingly haunting the house possess the furniture this session, and we have to burn it in a fire before it kills us. We were scared of this. Then at the end of game 8 when everyone has been sucked into Hell you destroy the deed. Post was not sent - check your email addresses! The betrayal of the Helm also brought on another twist. Extra people to interact with, which can give you a bonus in the game. We just finished the campaign and I've got a few questions. So, players are strategically cooperating, but theres very little of the more interesting tactics which occasionally appeared on the peripheries of previous adventures. Then they started talking. The Helm gives you a really great bonus of a reroll once per game and marking the helm with a family crest, which can give you story beats and other bonuses. Figure 4-2: We always remember the previous Omen cards, but the rest of the decks have almost no Legacy meaning to us. One of the easiest ways to do this is to place a set of Runes face down on the table, and have a player choose one to turn face up. You're free to disagree, of course, but you would be wrong. This one is YOURS. . In fact, the rules then had me load stuff back under the insert several times after that causing me to take it out of the box multiple times. The Betrayal Legacy Chronicles, Part One discussed the first four adventures, while this continues this series with Chapters Four through Six. Join Quests and Chaos as they Learn how to play through the board game Betrayal Legacy by Rob Daviau, and released by Avalon Hill of Wizards of the Coast. (Michael.) Consult the Helm Figure 3-1: Its pretty cool that the increasing number of tiles and omens is leading to larger houses in these later eras; but for once, the Hearth is on the wrong side of the hall! Instead, most of the Legacy elements were confined to cards and tiles, which might or might not come up in future games, and which would likely be forgotten by the time they did. But, as noted before, its minor. You could even go around so that everyone has a turn being the high priest and starting the chant with baby shark. There we go. In the original game, players always start out working together to explore a house up until the haunt is revealed. There's an overarching narrative throughout the entire campaign, and many of the pieces added to the story are discovered based on how games end. This is the first game that entirely clicked for us, and thats in large part because the amount of time before the haunt has been increasing each game: there was only one omen in the first game, two in the second, and three in the third, pushing the Haunt back a little each time. . Our only big surprise is finding out more about the helm, as we learn it can be used to select a player, which means that players that use its power more are more likely to be selected. Betrayal Legacy is now available wherever board games are sold. Will Betrayal Legacy match our love of the classic horror? If youve not played this game I seriously recommend it. There just wasnt enough Legacy at the start: it took until our fourth game for us to feel like a Legacy item was effective and to get elements like the helm and the changing house. It will contain **Spoilers up to and including Game 2**. The more focused approach to haunts in Betrayal Legacy, as opposed to Betrayal at House on the Hill's randomized approach, allows for more creative storytelling and game manipulation. Liked it? Oops! Co-op:Betrayal is always a bit of a weird cooperative game in its pre-Haunt phase because youre individually exploring and dont really want to help anyone else when anyone could be the traitor*. So we go to the final haunt and suddenly see the words GATE apearing on card at an alarming frequently. But inBetrayal Legacy, all players can do is choose whether to mark Legacy items (which they do if they can) and whether to win or lose (but thats scarcely achoice). John asked her multiple times not to kill anything with it. There are a cook and a farmhand, who we name Octavia and Ed. Its kind of intriguing, but not something we actually experienced in this game. Fluffypanda made an excellent altar for Betrayal Legacy's "Helm" piece, but sadly it was too big to fit within the build surface of my Ender 3. To be fair this one wasnt revealed during the story so much as at the very end. We've just played chapter 3 (I know, I'm risking so many spoilers being here), so have only brought it out of its resting place. At the end of one game, the Helm arrives. Legacy:Obviously, all you can do in the first game of a Legacy campaign is set up Legacy elements. Each mission is set around 20 years after the previous one, meaning you could be playing the child, niece or cousin of your character from a previous game. Nobody owned the house anymore and the story reflected it. So ourBetrayal Legacyplay ends here, alas. If you want to play through the story again, you'll need to buy an entirely new copy. We maximize our health tactically, and that lets us find the cure in the nick of time. But the Prologue didnt have any late-game cooperation either, since everyone is just trying to kill each other. Balanced. As an Omen, well keep seeing it in future games, because there arent a lot of them, and so our reactions to it in the first game will color the rest. Have you already started your journey through the campaign? More attacks means that the foe can do more damage. I completed this campaign over a year ago and I still remember it with a fondness. Betrayal Legacy | Ep.4 | Chapter 3 | Board Game Playthrough | SPOILERS! We werecertainthat none of us were a witch, and yet we also werent. SPOILER Betrayal: Legacy SPOILERS we missed a key part but don't know where *SPOILER* . Dom - Eva 42 (yellow) - wife of Marius (Medical Practicioner) Darren - Pete 71 (green) - Uncle of Flossie (Experimentalist) Joe - Meghann 15 (blue) - cousin of Malachi (Savage) Brendan - Karen 31 (red) - sister of Janet (Investigator) Paul - Uriah 54 (purple)* - son of Boris (Gambler) We often found the original game too random, and we felt like the long turns and variable length games often resulted in some or all players never getting off their feet, and so not getting to really experience the adventurous elements of the game. To preserve anyone's experience, this review will be spoiler-free. We get to look at them one at a time. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Our first clue is a really big number on Octavia (we think its a 9, but it turns out to be a 6). But we cant keep making our own fun. The game once more degenerates into a big fight, but this time its us vs. him, instead of everyone for himself. So place your sticker on a branch that doesnt already contain one of your colour. It was tons of fun for me and my friends. She apologized to John, fired the Crossbow, killed the monster, and stood as the Crossbow became engulfed in flames; an unholy weapon of the damned. To a certain extent,Betrayal Legacyis starting to drag for us. And this is going to be it, because weve decided that seven sessions is enough, for reasons that Ill talk about toward the end. More Geek Sites RPGGeek VideoGameGeek Geek Events. You can never go wrong with a ghostbusters reference. We all knew it would be bad, but we all had different reactions to it. This game, we actually dont initiate the Haunt until the fourth omen symbol comes up, and that means that weve mapped out a large number of rooms. All the resources here are offered free, but if you found a post useful, and you are in a position to help, I will gratefully accept any support. Also, none of them say to read entry 206 although if you look at it it's obvious that's supposed to be the final thing to read, considering you tear up the bleak journal when you are done with it. Now it (barely) fits within the build volume of an Ender 3. Betrayal Legacy is a gaming experience I will never forget. Chapter Four: 1797 The Haunted Furniture The ghosts increasingly haunting the house possess the furniture this session, and we have to burn it in a fire before it kills us. through ALL the events and items. But even when we pull up events that I am pretty sure came from the results of other games, Im not sure what theyre evoking. Simultaneously, there's the second overarching story of the family legacy of the players, who alter the house and its contents along the way. Not a great second look for a co-op game. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. These are the ten things that really stuck with me when we finished. Journey back to the beginning of the horror as you create a unique story told through several generations of families obsessed with the house. That stickered-over tile, The Chasm, is an entrance to the Otherworlds, which appear as 28 new cards that we add to our box. We end up screwing this game up, but it feels better than the others mainly because its got some clever mechanics that allow us some agency and because weuse that agency to screw up. Folio Infernum: I feel like we HAVE to have missed this. The major bit of Legacy in this Chapter is that we get a whole new major mechanic. 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